i am trying to not use the built in vehicle physics because they arent very realistic, in a real car you have tire flex, damper settings(slow bump,fast bump,slow rebound,fast rebound). you also have other things like tire heat, anti roll bars, differential, etc... but now that i think about it i could just have the tire be an animation for the suspension movement and just program in the tire flex so that i dont have a ton of collision objects on each wheel. anyway thank you very much for your help